Bathtub Packard!

"JR1" (type35bugatti) 03/13/2015 at 10:05 • Filed to: Packard

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Saw this little gem while I was out and about yesterday picked up diesel for the Lincoln! I do love an old Packard. What a car.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 03/13/2015 at 10:08

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Diesel...for the Lincoln...care to elaborate?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 03/13/2015 at 10:10

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I believe kanadanmajava's is also a four-door. I also believe the one in this picture's a '50, though it can be hard to keep track of which trim level had which grill when/etc.

Coty > JR1 03/13/2015 at 10:11

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NEED.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 03/13/2015 at 10:15

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He's going to make the engine oil swim in diesel fuel, as I understand it. Swim right on up to the rings and submerge the journals, for with to free everything up. Said to be an ancient chinese secret type thing for getting unstuck.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 10:24

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-_-

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 03/13/2015 at 10:30

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Ramblin is actually telling the truth. I am using diesel to free up the locked engine in my 59 Lincoln.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 10:30

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Think I should sprinkle a bit of ATF into the carb so it sinks down to the valves for good measure?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 03/13/2015 at 10:31

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Oh. I thought he was kidding. Shows how much I know about mechanicals.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 10:32

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It is a 50 great detective work. I think you are right with Kanadamajava's

JR1 > Coty 03/13/2015 at 10:32

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PACKARD!!!

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 03/13/2015 at 10:33

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Yeah I know it seems hard to believe. It dissolves rust and that's exactly what I need right now.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 03/13/2015 at 10:35

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No, because anything sticking on the valves would be the seals, springs, lifters, rockers, or any and all of the above. Not the actual seat where the valve makes contact.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 10:41

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So it would be pointless to even put the ATF down the oil filler cap were I put the diesel? Sorry I ask so many questions. I hope it doesn't get annoying

kanadanmajava1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 10:47

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Year models are a bit confusing with bathtub Packards as Packard didn't follow the year model standards in every year. Instead Packard used series'. So from 1948 to 1950 Packard made 22nd and 23rd series'. So all cars made in 1948 belong to 22nd series (like mine) and all 1950 cars belong to 23rd. But 1949 models can be either and they can be separated with their engine or chassis numbers.

All 1946-1947 Packards are 21st series cars. But from 1951 the series' continued for only one year.

And the certain car seems to be a 23rd series car.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 03/13/2015 at 10:53

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It wouldn't really stay where it would help - it would just flow down into the main oil area. That being said, not helping the valves is different than not helping anything, and ATF being a very light, low-viscosity oil, it would not hurt any of the rest of the engine you're causing to swim.

Just, before trying to turn the engine over, it would be best to drain the engine and get the plugs out. You might in a worst-case scenario end up with fluid in the cylinder that didn't come back out, and then hydrolock the engine. With the plug out, it just shoots excess out the hole. Which, as we've gone over, is a job for a torch and presumably a deepwell impact socket on a long handle.

Coty > JR1 03/13/2015 at 12:01

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One in a junkyard near here.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 13:12

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With 8 gallons of diesel in there and some ATF hopefully it all soaks up nicely and drains easily. Do you think it will work or will it stay frozen?

JR1 > Coty 03/13/2015 at 13:13

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In this good of shape as the one above or a lot more junked?

Coty > JR1 03/13/2015 at 13:48

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So Kinja won't let me do links because it's fucking worthless, so try this:

partsofthepast . com / 48%20Packard.htm

Pull the spaces out and let me know if it works.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 03/13/2015 at 13:49

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Hard to say, depending on your definition of "work". Like I said on one previous occasion, we had a Land Rover that got stuck and proceeded to have to beat on the pistons from underneath with a piece of wood - and it had only been stuck about two decades. On the other hand, we had a Ford industrial that had been stuck more than 30 years and got it turning bit by bit with just penetrating oil down the bores... but in the process, the pushrods got wrecked from the valves being stuck.

This probably counts as a big step toward getting it unstuck, but I don't know if I'd expect *immediate* results, and I think we need to make sure your valves are free before attempting to turn over - that, and get the plugs out. Every little bit helps.

JR1 > Coty 03/13/2015 at 13:51

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It worked! It is in nice shape really. That green is gorgeous.

Coty > JR1 03/13/2015 at 14:27

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That website has all kinds of cool stuff on there.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 16:53

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Some guys were thinking it would take a few days others with more grim estimates said it took 3 months prying every few days before they got the engine to wiggle with a breaker bar. Besides I'll be up at college for a little while so I got time. I wonder if there is anything more I can do to help the valves before I leave. I'll have to check around online.

And I have been meaning to ask what year is your LR?

JR1 > Coty 03/13/2015 at 16:56

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Great now I am going to be stuck here for the next hour looking for crap I don't need

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1 03/13/2015 at 17:01

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My LR is *probably* '66. Its lights are of a type that had to be phased out for US use for '67, and it is a "C" code body and transmission - no earlier than '65, IIRC. I never had the original title, though, so it's somewhat uncertain.

If the valve covers can come off, hitting the rocker shafts directly with penetrating oil would be a good idea, along with some checks to see if the valves are free - I might be able to detail some of them for you, but any of that would be with valve covers off.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 03/13/2015 at 17:14

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Details really. It's still a cool truck either way and rare here in the states. Do you take off road a lot or just use it as an ice cream getter?

As for the valve covers I have at least taken the driver side off before:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/these-valves-a…

Coty > JR1 03/14/2015 at 09:19

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Oh dude I know.

Personal pick:

1970 Pontiac Lemans 2 Dr Hardtop drum brakes (opt disc), 350/auto limited slip

Price: $4,495.00

JR1 > Coty 03/14/2015 at 10:13

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You can keep the Pomtiac Le Mans (drum brakes are a cool option) my eyes are in this Cadillac

http://partsofthepast.com/59%20Cadillac.…

Coty > JR1 03/14/2015 at 10:23

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Yeah flatroofs are rare as hell. I also liked the later of the two Cadillac ambulances.

JR1 > Coty 03/14/2015 at 10:40

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Yes they are.

I always though it was weird Cadillac used to be ambulances. I could never imagine a Cadillac ambulance today even with the Esclade.